A Rather Evil Path

How wonderful. There’s a guy at liberal conspiracy who’s telling us what the “real” causes of women’s oppression are and aren’t and how worrying about meaningless little things like re classifying p0rn as actual p0rn won’t do anything to help us. (won’t link to him, it’s easy to find anyways)
First of all, Mr Dude, it’s not up to you, or any man, to decide what the causes of women’s oppression are. That’s something we women have to do, and you men have to put up with whatever decision we come up with.
Secondly, even if it were true that the causes of women’s oppression had nothing to do with lads mags, it is no less true that they do have an impact on women’s everyday lives. And even if they didn’t, their existence still pisses us off. That should be enough reason to get rid of them.
Thirdly, we cannot actually legislate against the real causes of women’s oppression. Because the only way to end with women’s oppression would be for men to stop oppressing women. That exceeds the power of the law. And we have to make do with what we currently have.

Now I’m not going to waste valuable space on my blog explaining things to yet another guy who doesn’t “get it”, who isn’t interested in “getting it” and who will never know I am here writing about his arrogant ignorance. Instead, I’ll focus on how the causes of women’s oppression are related to lads mags/p0rn.
You can visualize the oppression of women as a river with many paths, each one corresponding to a different aspect of life, extending over a huge surface that eventually covers the whole of society. In order to control women’s oppression and to eventually destroy it, the feminist movement has focused on blocking many of those paths that carry the oppression everywhere. It has had some success, of course. The path of the “public sphere” has been blocked to some extent, and now at least it’s not so acceptable to demand women get back in the kitchen.
But as with any river, when one path is blocked, the water has to find another way to get through. And there is one path that no one has been able to block so far. That’s the path of the “sexual sphere”. Never before has the sex industry been so big. Never before has so much misogyny been pouring into what we call “human sexuality”. And it’s terrifying. Women’s oppression is not “decreasing”. It’s merely going where no one can control it. That’s why I favour any measure to contain this constant, ever increasing flux of sexual misogyny. Because when oppression is contained, it becomes easier to destroy.


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  1. 1

    Polly Styrene said,

    That’s fine. I’ll accept him telling me that I don’t know what the causes of women’s oppression are, as long as he accepts me telling him that I know exactly how menz should be behaving……..

  2. 2

    thebewilderness said,

    I’m guessing he is also a proponent of cow farts causing global warming, poor people causing the market crash, and intercourse curing zits.
    The one thing these things have in common is that men are willing to believe anything that benefits them.

  3. 3

    marytracy9 said,

    “men are willing to believe anything that benefits them”

    That’s it, basically, it’s all in that sentence. And it’s opposite is also true. “Men are willing to DISbelieve anything that gets in the way of their benefit”.

  4. 4

    Sorry, I should have warned you that a massive dose of feminism 101 is needed on the LC site. (I just go for the general politics) Just been back there to have a look at the thread and lardy “totally clueless” isn’t in it. Fish barrel shoot-repeat.

  5. 5

    Do lad’s mags CAUSE women’s oppression on their own? No. Do they add to/reinforce misogyny? Yes.

    That’s the bit they don’t get. It’s called the ‘backlash’.

  6. 6

    marytracy9 said,

    For the purpose of this post, I’d refer to the BACKLASH as FUCKLASH, ie: the backlash through f*cking. If I were a famous feminist, I would write a book with that title 😀

    What pisses me off is that this guy has the nerve to tell women campaigning for this reclassification that it is “useless”. It’s not his place to say what is or isn’t worthy of women’s energy.

  7. 7

    crankosaur said,

    Ah, paternalism. “You dumb old ladies can’t possibly know what it is that is causing your oppression, being all tied up in your vagina problems and all, so let me, big smart man, tell you what is wrong with your situation.” What a douchenozzle. Legislation is a joke: it’s appeasement. It allows patriarchy ro continue because, well, women can vote, right? What are we complaining about?
    I like your river analogy; I’ve noticed the same thing. The more women’s lives improve in the public sphere, the more violent and ubiquitous pornography becomes.

  8. 8

    Polly Styrene said,

    You could easily become a famous feminist writing a book with that title I would have thought MT.

  9. 9

    marytracy9 said,

    “I’ve noticed the same thing. The more women’s lives improve in the public sphere, the more violent and ubiquitous pornography becomes.”

    Thanks, crankosaur. I’m glad I’m not the only one.

    Polly, I am honestly waiting for someone else to write that book. Gail Dines had one coming out titled “Stepford Sluts” which deals with this very topic. I can’t become a despised feminazi right now, I’m too young to die!

  10. 10

    marytracy9 said,

    Here, this blogger writes abou Gail Dines presentation at the “Pornography and Pop Culture” conference

    “Another topic she touched on is the shift towards a “slut culture.” She is currently working on a book titled The Stepford Sluts. She implied that pornography has caused the idealized woman to shift from a domestic homemaker to a replaceable sex obsessed robot.”

  11. 11

    Polly Styrene said,

    I have survived unscathed MT. In fact I’m left standing when others…..

  12. 12

    Level Best said,

    Oh, Lord, MT. The menz always show up on feminist blogs to explain or explain away things to the poor, ignorant women. I get sick of them talking, and talking, and talking DOWN to us. We know our own experiences and don’t need them to tell us what’s what. :::rage:::

  13. 13

    feministforp0rn said,

    “Secondly, even if it were true that the causes of women’s oppression had nothing to do with lads mags, it is no less true that they do have an impact on women’s everyday lives. And even if they didn’t, their existence still pisses us off. That should be enough reason to get rid of them.”

    Non-sequitur. It matters nought if the existence of something pisses you off. Your existence might piss many persons off, but that doesn’t mean you should be gotten rid of either.

    Learn to make valid arguments.

  14. 14

    atheistwoman said,

    Learn to get a better name…

  15. 15

    Polly Styrene said,


    If you can’t tell the difference between getting rid of lads mags and murder, (aka getting rid of people), it’s you who can’t make valid arguments.

  16. 16

    marytracy9 said,

    Though “Feminist For Pawn” would be a cool name.


  17. 17

    Maggie Hays said,

    That’s an amazing post, mary Tracy! 🙂

  18. 18

    marytracy9 said,

    Thank you, Maggie! Good to see you around here 😀

  19. 19

    Christine said,

    It’s not just men’s magazines and porn, which are made for men and mold men’s views of women. It’s also entertainment made “for women” which beats women into a stereotype that makes us unthreatening. Take anything off of Lifetime tv (all plots revolve around women as victims), Bad Girls Club, the Real Housewives Series (a bunch of silicon enhanced catty women fighting over who looks better), a Shot of Love (a shot of loathing is more like it) or anything else on MTV or VH1 for that matter. Grey’s Anatomy (women as doctors who seem constantly obsessed with men), Sex in the City (need I say more?). This is entertainment for women?? Women’s magazines have a detestable lack of intelligence. I turn to the pictureless and well written Foreign Affairs magazine to get political and world news because looking at the glossy and brainless female news achors out there makes me ill. The whole culture is saturated in making women into fools. It’s depressing.

  20. 20

    […] We’ve been here before, and I’m sure we will be here again. Every time feminists attack the sex industry somebody is compelled to butt in and tell us that “we are not dealing with what really matters”. My opinion on the subject hasn’t changed: the sex industry, especially in it’s everyday manifestation of pr0n, advertising, entertainment, media, et al, and it’s spilling over as the “beauty” industry, that’s fashion, dieting, looks, et al, is the only remaining ideological tool with which women are being oppressed in the realm of the superstructure. (And all this theory is way out of my league!). What on Earth am I trying to say? Simple. The message still is “women, stay in your place”, because women must, at all costs, stay in their place. But now they can’t come out and say it like that. The religious arguments don’t hold much water in rich, liberal democratic societies. The biological determinist idea that women are just not good at the “big stuff” has been reduced to shreds through decades of feminist theorizing, researching and probably Margaret Thatcher. The arrangement of woman as “mother and homemaker” can’t apply anymore, because now every adult human is needed in the labour market to keep productivity high and wages low. To recap. “Women are not as good as men because Christ wasn’t a woman”, crossed. “Women are just not as good as men, they are not rational, intelligent, whatever”, crossed. “A woman’s place is in the home”, crossed. What are we left with? “Women are just good for sh*gging”. Or pretty things to look at. […]

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